As many people always hit issues with. EPGs, I was wondering if and how you could source the EPG from cable, freeview/freesat or other TV provider? The TV or box has to get that guide from somewhere. Example is my smartTV has Freesat and the EPG that fills my TV guide is one that I could take advantage of when using IPTV.
Where do I start?
If you can get the URL for the xml file you can load it in say TiViMate into your EPG sources and then add it to any Playlist you have loaded. But I doubt anyone of the ISPs would hand out that URL freely.
Thats what I thought! I felt that the TV or boxes go through ‘tuning’ via set up and that populates the guide. So the EPG has to hidden in that data somewhere 
now where I don’t know 
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isnt it strange how a tv with antenna gets free epg ota and its so dam hard to intercept that stream… a very common issue with cord cutters and limited options. I know its built in to my emby sub and (so far) I can use it as much as I want and they even offer up epg for every major cable company all within emby… Not sure where they get it but they make it easy.
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Very cool site @TXRon thanks. I start looking through there and soon realize how little I know.
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I get that feeling often Ever since I started using a Firestick last year and dived into all the available work-arounds etc. I quickly realised I know a lot about nothing when it comes to how to view TV without an official sub. 
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There are a few services that will populate an EPG for your IPTV service in a format that you can insert into your player. I use Tivimate as my player and have several epgs assigned to various m3u playlists.
I have never tried any of these paid services where they generate the guide for you, and you just then need to insert it because they charge about $4 bucks a month for their service. Although, this would be an option.
The other option is to sub to an epg site and make your own epg. I have done this in the past but have found sooo many free epgs on Discord and Github that these seem to populate most of my 10K+ channels and have drifted away from making my own.
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I use a few EPGs, some are very good. I am aware of the many available options. My query was to find a way to get the data that my freesat TV or satellite box uses to populate the TV guide. Obviously when tuning or receiving the signals etc, the device is gaining access to the EPG data also, so where is it? That file has to be available and at source somewhere for my devices to access it.
From a sub the epg will be on their servers and will require something like a handshake and cred verification by a login process on those servers to obtain those embedded epg xml files. What you want to do, I think, is something like an EPG Ripper. You might want to look into researching those. Sorry but I only know of them and not how to use them, and fortunately I have good epg sources like tv4, acid jesuz, and apollo. I believe a search will bring up some excellent EPG sources here.
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Cheers @Miki
I have a good few EPGs, may even have shared some with you in the past. I don’t really need another one, just frustrated to try and figure out how my 15yr-old DVD player with freesat tuner can populate an EPG from a coaxial terrestrial aerial and I can’t figure out where that data is embedded in the signal 
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